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Up until this race (I believe), whenever the graphic overlay showing
speed and gear and throttle and brake (etc.) was displayed, while the
throttle application always showed the gradual increase of throttle out
of the corner, the brake graphic as always just off or on. Despite
having the same graphic style as the throttle thermometer, it was only
none or full that was ever displayed.

Well that has now changed.

Finally, when they show the overlay, the brake thermometer shows the
gradual easing off of the brakes as the car turns in, and you can see
just how deep into the corner they trailbrake.

It only confirms what I already knew...

...but it's still neat that we're now being allowed to see it.

I have to believe that this was something the teams weren't willing to
let others see, and that maybe they've finally realized that it's not as
big a secret that deep trailbraking is the way to go.

:-)
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On 2025-07-04 9:51pm, Alan wrote:

Finally, when they show the overlay, the brake thermometer shows the
gradual easing off of the brakes as the car turns in, and you can see
just how deep into the corner they trailbrake.

That's really cool - I'm going to watch for this.
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On 2025-07-05 08:34, Eric wrote:

On 2025-07-04 9:51pm, Alan wrote:

Finally, when they show the overlay, the brake thermometer shows the
gradual easing off of the brakes as the car turns in, and you can see
just how deep into the corner they trailbrake.

That's really cool - I'm going to watch for this.

As a racing driver, it's far more interesting to watch how the driver
rolls of the brakes (both for reductions in grip as the car slows and
loses downforce, and as turning into the corner starts to require some
lateral grip).

The only thing I can think of for why they haven't been showing this previously is that too many of the teams considered this somehow a
"secret" that they didn't want to reveal to the other teams.

But the concepts of:

Lessening maximum deceleration with decreasing speed, and;

Needing the use even less brake once you start to steer into a bend
(look up "friction circle")...

...well they're not really secrets and no one does them very differently anymore.

Back in late 1960s and early 1970s it was Jackie Stewart (among others
I'm sure) who started emphasizing the importance of how you come off the
brake pedal as much as it was important to get on the brake pedal
quickly to threshold braking.
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On 7/9/2025 3:07 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-07-05 08:34, Eric wrote:

On 2025-07-04 9:51pm, Alan wrote:

Finally, when they show the overlay, the brake thermometer shows the
gradual easing off of the brakes as the car turns in, and you can see
just how deep into the corner they trailbrake.

That's really cool - I'm going to watch for this.

As a racing driver, it's far more interesting to watch how the driver
rolls of the brakes (both for reductions in grip as the car slows and
loses downforce, and as turning into the corner starts to require some lateral grip).

The only thing I can think of for why they haven't been showing this previously is that too many of the teams considered this somehow a
"secret" that they didn't want to reveal to the other teams.

But the concepts of:

Lessening maximum deceleration with decreasing speed, and;

Needing the use even less brake once you start to steer into a bend
(look up "friction circle")...

...well they're not really secrets and no one does them very differently anymore.

Back in late 1960s and early 1970s it was Jackie Stewart (among others
I'm sure) who started emphasizing the importance of how you come off the brake pedal as much as it was important to get on the brake pedal
quickly to threshold braking.

In the middle-late 1960s, Mark Donohue popularized the 'friction circle' concept and trail braking, both to other RRDC drivers and generally.
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On 2025-07-09 15:21, News wrote:

On 7/9/2025 3:07 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-07-05 08:34, Eric wrote:

On 2025-07-04 9:51pm, Alan wrote:

Finally, when they show the overlay, the brake thermometer shows the
gradual easing off of the brakes as the car turns in, and you can
see just how deep into the corner they trailbrake.

That's really cool - I'm going to watch for this.

As a racing driver, it's far more interesting to watch how the driver
rolls of the brakes (both for reductions in grip as the car slows and
loses downforce, and as turning into the corner starts to require some
lateral grip).

The only thing I can think of for why they haven't been showing this
previously is that too many of the teams considered this somehow a
"secret" that they didn't want to reveal to the other teams.

But the concepts of:

Lessening maximum deceleration with decreasing speed, and;

Needing the use even less brake once you start to steer into a bend
(look up "friction circle")...

...well they're not really secrets and no one does them very
differently anymore.

Back in late 1960s and early 1970s it was Jackie Stewart (among others
I'm sure) who started emphasizing the importance of how you come off
the brake pedal as much as it was important to get on the brake pedal
quickly to threshold braking.

In the middle-late 1960s, Mark Donohue popularized the 'friction circle' concept and trail braking, both to other RRDC drivers and generally.

Yup.
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