• Calling all you statisticians ...

    From Martin Harran@martinharran@gmail.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wednesday, November 06, 2024 17:50:50
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    Has anyone got a worse record than Lando for losing the lead from pole
    in the first lap? Or failing to convert pole to a win?
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  • From Yazoo@yazoo@myself.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thursday, November 07, 2024 08:49:41
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    On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 17:50:50 +0000, Martin Harran
    <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

    Has anyone got a worse record than Lando for losing the lead from pole
    in the first lap? Or failing to convert pole to a win?

    I don't know exact numbers, but Leclerc didn't convert pole to victory
    many times.
    --
    It's better to be judged by twelwe than carried by six.
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  • From Mark Jackson@mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thursday, November 07, 2024 10:25:11
    From Newsgroup: rec.autos.sport.f1

    On 11/7/2024 2:49 AM, Yazoo wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 17:50:50 +0000, Martin Harran
    <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

    Has anyone got a worse record than Lando for losing the lead from pole
    in the first lap? Or failing to convert pole to a win?

    I don't know exact numbers, but Leclerc didn't convert pole to victory
    many times.

    A little fiddling in Forix says Norris has eight poles, with only two
    wins from them.

    Leclerc has 26 poles and only 5 wins from them.

    The other guy with 26 poles is Mika Häkkinen; 10 wins.
    --
    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    Americans crave the performance of authenticity.
    - Tressie McMillan Cottom
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  • From Bigbird@bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thursday, November 07, 2024 18:29:43
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    Mark Jackson wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 2:49 AM, Yazoo wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 17:50:50 +0000, Martin Harran
    <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

    Has anyone got a worse record than Lando for losing the lead from
    pole in the first lap? Or failing to convert pole to a win?

    I don't know exact numbers, but Leclerc didn't convert pole to
    victory many times.

    A little fiddling in Forix says Norris has eight poles, with only two
    wins from them.


    Same hit rate as Jarno Trulli; 1 from 4

    Leclerc has 26 poles and only 5 wins from them.

    The other guy with 26 poles is Mika Häkkinen; 10 wins.

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  • From Yazoo@yazoo@myself.com to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Friday, November 08, 2024 11:06:26
    From Newsgroup: rec.autos.sport.f1

    On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:25:11 -0500, Mark Jackson
    <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 2:49 AM, Yazoo wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 17:50:50 +0000, Martin Harran
    <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

    Has anyone got a worse record than Lando for losing the lead from pole
    in the first lap? Or failing to convert pole to a win?

    I don't know exact numbers, but Leclerc didn't convert pole to victory
    many times.

    A little fiddling in Forix says Norris has eight poles, with only two
    wins from them.

    Leclerc has 26 poles and only 5 wins from them.

    The other guy with 26 poles is Mika Häkkinen; 10 wins.

    WOW!
    Leclerc has less than 20% sucess ratio.
    Mika was better with 38%
    And Lando is on 25%.

    So, Leclerc is really the worst in this regard. It would be nice if
    there is an analysis for this record. Does anyone know about it?
    --
    It's better to be judged by twelwe than carried by six.
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  • From Sir Tim@no_email@invalid.invalid to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Friday, November 08, 2024 10:23:37
    From Newsgroup: rec.autos.sport.f1

    Yazoo <yazoo@myself.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:25:11 -0500, Mark Jackson
    <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 2:49 AM, Yazoo wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 17:50:50 +0000, Martin Harran
    <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

    Has anyone got a worse record than Lando for losing the lead from pole >>>> in the first lap? Or failing to convert pole to a win?

    I don't know exact numbers, but Leclerc didn't convert pole to victory
    many times.

    A little fiddling in Forix says Norris has eight poles, with only two
    wins from them.

    Leclerc has 26 poles and only 5 wins from them.

    The other guy with 26 poles is Mika Häkkinen; 10 wins.

    WOW!
    Leclerc has less than 20% sucess ratio.
    Mika was better with 38%
    And Lando is on 25%.

    So, Leclerc is really the worst in this regard. It would be nice if
    there is an analysis for this record. Does anyone know about it?


    I wonder what happened to our resident statistician (I forget his name)? He used to come up with some amazing stats, mainly derived from Forix.
    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From Mark Jackson@mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Friday, November 08, 2024 09:50:18
    From Newsgroup: rec.autos.sport.f1

    On 11/8/2024 5:23 AM, Sir Tim wrote:

    I wonder what happened to our resident statistician (I forget his
    name)? He used to come up with some amazing stats, mainly derived
    from Forix.

    Thinking of Brian Lawrence? He mentioned once or twice that he had his
    own database. He hasn't posted in rasf1 for a couple of years.

    Getting some data out of Forix is easy (list of all winners with number
    of wins; same for poles) but other questions would be tedious without an actual database to query.
    --
    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    Americans crave the performance of authenticity.
    - Tressie McMillan Cottom
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  • From Sir Tim@no_email@invalid.invalid to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Friday, November 08, 2024 16:48:39
    From Newsgroup: rec.autos.sport.f1

    Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    On 11/8/2024 5:23 AM, Sir Tim wrote:

    I wonder what happened to our resident statistician (I forget his
    name)? He used to come up with some amazing stats, mainly derived
    from Forix.

    Thinking of Brian Lawrence? He mentioned once or twice that he had his
    own database. He hasn't posted in rasf1 for a couple of years.

    Getting some data out of Forix is easy (list of all winners with number
    of wins; same for poles) but other questions would be tedious without an actual database to query.


    Thanks for this, Mark. Yes, it was Brian Lawrence. Shame he doesn’t post
    here anymore.

    My memory has deteriorated badly over the last couple of years (I’m now in
    my 86th year).
    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From Mark Jackson@mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Friday, November 08, 2024 12:33:13
    From Newsgroup: rec.autos.sport.f1

    On 11/8/2024 11:48 AM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    On 11/8/2024 5:23 AM, Sir Tim wrote:

    I wonder what happened to our resident statistician (I forget
    his name)? He used to come up with some amazing stats, mainly
    derived from Forix.

    Thinking of Brian Lawrence? He mentioned once or twice that he
    had his own database. He hasn't posted in rasf1 for a couple of
    years.

    Thanks for this, Mark. Yes, it was Brian Lawrence. Shame he doesn’t
    post here anymore.

    My memory has deteriorated badly over the last couple of years (I’m
    now in my 86th year).

    I couldn't remember either, so I searched the saved messages in my
    motorsports file for "database." Lots of obvious false positives, but
    Brian had posted this back in 2001:

    Over the last few weeks I have been working on putting the qualifying data into a database. Having more or less finished this task I have analysed all drivers qualifying records to produce a more accurate table of the all-time best qualifiers.
    --
    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    Americans crave the performance of authenticity.
    - Tressie McMillan Cottom
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