I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of
a shitshow.
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race weekends, but this recent one
is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion of abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of a shitshow.
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion of abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of
a shitshow.
On 03/11/2024 21:39, pP85PrR wrote:And I think that's appropriate.
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion
of abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more
of a shitshow.
Norris and Russell got fined for starting another lap instead of parking
up at the aborted start.
Mercedes got fined for the tyre pressure changes.
Sainz got a reprimand because he removed the steering wheel and the
marshals started preparing the car for removal. Sainz then reattached
the steering wheel in preparation for driving off but the marshals were still sorting the car for removal.
No one got penalties that change the results.
On 4/11/2024 10:39 am, pP85PrR wrote:
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion
of abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more
of a shitshow.
I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most of
the field don't have the sense to use the supplied full wet tyres when
it's fully wet! So, the race director decides it's too dangerous and a
guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on 30 lap old
intermediate tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
Many years ago, when Michael Schummacher was driving and, IIRC, Fernando Alonso was young, they had a heck of a wet race at the same facility.
I remember it because I believe they both crashed out.
* SLMR 2.1a * "And then you turn the corner," as the DM chuckles...
On 2024-11-03 20:48, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 4/11/2024 10:39 am, pP85PrR wrote:
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe
the Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion
of abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more
of a shitshow.
I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most
of the field don't have the sense to use the supplied full wet tyres
when it's fully wet! So, the race director decides it's too dangerous
and a guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on 30 lap old
intermediate tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?
The problem isn't that teams won't use the extreme wet.
The problem is that we've gotten to the point where the technology of
the cars combined with the extreme wet tires lets them work in
conditions that throw up so much spray that the drivers really can't SEE.
I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it can be
a challenge.
Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme wet tires.
I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
changes during red flag periods during a race, though.
On 11/4/24 17:30, Alan wrote:
On 2024-11-03 20:48, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 4/11/2024 10:39 am, pP85PrR wrote:
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe
the Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary
confusion of abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be
more of a shitshow.
I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most
of the field don't have the sense to use the supplied full wet tyres
when it's fully wet! So, the race director decides it's too dangerous
and a guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on 30 lap old
intermediate tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?
The problem isn't that teams won't use the extreme wet.
The problem is that we've gotten to the point where the technology of
the cars combined with the extreme wet tires lets them work in
conditions that throw up so much spray that the drivers really can't SEE.
I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it can
be a challenge.
Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme wet
tires.
I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
changes during red flag periods during a race, though.
I certainly agree about heavy rain causing vision problems
for the drivers - this is not a skill problem, it is an absolute
safety problem.
And not just for the drivers, but also for race control and for
turn workers.
On 2024-11-05 12:51, a425couple wrote:SNIP
On 11/4/24 17:30, Alan wrote:
On 2024-11-03 20:48, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 4/11/2024 10:39 am, pP85PrR wrote:
What an F'd up weekend.
I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it can
be a challenge.
Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme
wet tires.
I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
changes during red flag periods during a race, though.
I certainly agree about heavy rain causing vision problems
for the drivers - this is not a skill problem, it is an absolute
safety problem.
And not just for the drivers, but also for race control and for
turn workers.
And that's coming from you...
...who I watched drive around at nearly walking pace in your sports
racer after all your competitors had gone off track in heavy rain!
On 11/5/24 13:07, Alan wrote:
On 2024-11-05 12:51, a425couple wrote:SNIP
On 11/4/24 17:30, Alan wrote:
On 2024-11-03 20:48, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 4/11/2024 10:39 am, pP85PrR wrote:
What an F'd up weekend.
I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it
can be a challenge.
Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme
wet tires.
I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
changes during red flag periods during a race, though.
I certainly agree about heavy rain causing vision problems
for the drivers - this is not a skill problem, it is an absolute
safety problem.
And not just for the drivers, but also for race control and for
turn workers.
And that's coming from you...
...who I watched drive around at nearly walking pace in your sports
racer after all your competitors had gone off track in heavy rain!
Wow!!
Thanks for causing me to flashback to ancient memories.
That was quite some day!
My fastest lap (of 11) was 2:15, where my times were regularly
in those years in the rocket ship under 1:25.
4 Sports Racers took the start, and either went off track,
or into the pits before completing a lap.
One other SR hung on and completed 2 laps, fastest being 3:12.
Turns out, I just barely beat the best FV, his FL was 2:16.
Your countryman Rick Paine (who next year (?) won the national
Runnoffs in FF took 1st overall.
That class victory pretty much cinched the years
class championship.
June 15 2014.
My oldest grand daughter had fun playing in the mud puddles
in the paddock. Pretty wonderful day.
On 4/11/2024 10:39 am, pP85PrR wrote:weekends, but this recent one
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
(And I've been a fan for a while.)is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the Spa non-race is up there.
of abort/abandon.As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion
of a shitshow.I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more
I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most ofthe field don't have the
sense to use the supplied full wet tyres when it's fully wet! So, therace director decides it's
too dangerous and a guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on30 lap old intermediate
tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?
In article <vg9jnq$ptdo$1@dont-email.me>, ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 10:39 am, pP85PrR wrote:weekends, but this recent one
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
(And I've been a fan for a while.)is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the Spa non-race is up there.
of abort/abandon.
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion
of a shitshow.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more
the field don't have the
I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most of
sense to use the supplied full wet tyres when it's fully wet! So, therace director decides it's
too dangerous and a guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on30 lap old intermediate
tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?
I mean, first of all, what an insanely entertaining freak-show of a race weekend! It was crazy, maybe too crazy in honesty but mighty fun to devote almost the whole weekend to watching.
To your point re tyres, at one point one of the Sky commentators (Crofty,
I think) remarked "It is undriveable out there",
but all the drivers were
on inters while it was absolutely shagging it down with rain, I thought,
so of course it is! I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done
about drivers hanging their arses out on inters hoping for a red flag tbh.
Maybe the race director could issue a directive that conditions mandate
full wet and that all teams must box at the next opportunity? Knowing that this call could be a possibility might encourage teams to box for wets at their own choosing, maybe trying to judge it so they do so a lap or two
prior to the race director mandating it, so then teams that have tried to stay out for an advantage then have to contend with a busy pit lane and potentially double-stacking their cars?
I dunno, sounds a bit daft, but the current situation isn't much good, either. And with the red flag giving teams a free pit stop, it needs
fixing. Surely easiest thing to do would be to add time to any driver who
had work done under the red flag? So, change tyres under red flag, plus 25 seconds to race time to account for the pit stop cost, changes tyres and front wing, plus 40 seconds, and so on. Reflect what doing these under
normal race conditions would cost. Even better, add the time and then re-order accordingly when getting the race restarted; take the track positions at the last complete lap or sector and factor in the red flag
pit work time to move cars to the correct position had they pitted under
race conditions?
Max got very lucky, but he drove a great race and would, I think, have
been on the podium if not first anyway. Hats off to the guy. Shame it's
all over now bar the fat lady singing, though, would have been great to
see Lando take it to the wire.
Many years ago, when Michael Schummacher was driving and, IIRC, Fernando Alonso was young, they had a heck of a wet race at the same facility.
I remember it because I believe they both crashed out.
2003 was pretty bad, cars aquaplaning off left, right and centre. It was abandoned after 56 laps, and Jordan ended up winning.
Many years ago, when Michael Schummacher was driving and, IIRC, Fernando >>> Alonso was young, they had a heck of a wet race at the same facility.
I remember it because I believe they both crashed out.
2003 was pretty bad, cars aquaplaning off left, right and centre. It was
abandoned after 56 laps, and Jordan ended up winning.
Yes, that is the one I was thinking about. It was a very wet and crazy
race.
* SLMR 2.1a * No great scoundrel is ever uninteresting.
The basic issue is that the technology has outstripped safety when
there's too much rain.
Yes: they can bolt on the extreme wets, but they throw so much water
into the air, that the drivers simply can't see far enough ahead.
When we both finally saw each other, I moved all the way to the wall and
he managed to leave me a bare (bare!) car's width between him and the
wall, to the point that when I returned to the paddock after the race
and looked, my left side tires didn't have any of the white paint in the molded numbers anymore.
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