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The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero
--
Shaun.

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in the DSM"
David Melville.
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On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and keep
the ride for 2025.
--
geoff
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Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.

Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

New blood good.

Phil
--
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On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.

Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

New blood good.

Phil

You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

Most seem to think he did pretty well.
--
geoff
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Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.

Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

New blood good.

Phil

You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

Most seem to think he did pretty well.

I think he did pretty well, but I also think he's had his chances. I
*don't* think bringing Lawson in will magically improve things (and he
may actually do worse for a while), but I think they have to look
medium-long term rather than short-term.

As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 09:09:13 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:

...

As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.

Yes, I agree.

But, Riciardo is one of only three drivers from RB academy who
actually had success in F1 (podiums and victories). Other two are
Vettel and Verstappen.

So, Dani is not only great person, but great driver too. He deserved a
little bit more respect from RB. What will this mid season change
bring to RB? Nothing!


(and I was never RB supporter, but I respect good teams and drivers)
--
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Yazoo <yazoo@myself.com> wrote:

On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 09:09:13 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:

...

As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.

Yes, I agree.

But, Riciardo is one of only three drivers from RB academy who
actually had success in F1 (podiums and victories). Other two are
Vettel and Verstappen.

So, Dani is not only great person, but great driver too. He deserved a
little bit more respect from RB. What will this mid season change
bring to RB? Nothing!

(and I was never RB supporter, but I respect good teams and drivers)

I have never understood RB's driver management. My point agrees that
this mid-season change won't help right now, but it might help them
identify drivers for the future. If they've written off whatever Dani
can do this season, they may as well plan for the future with new blood.
What it achieves is that they get to assess Lawson and acclimatise him
to the team and car ahead of the new season and/or allow them to decide
to give another driver a chance.

I think Dani has had some great drives and is probably unlucky not to
have picked up more wins, but that's how it often goes. Unlike many
others, though, I think he can hold his head up high and with a glowing reputation amongst fans and the paddock alike.
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 13:03:28 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:
...

I have never understood RB's driver management. My point agrees that
this mid-season change won't help right now, but it might help them
identify drivers for the future. If they've written off whatever Dani
can do this season, they may as well plan for the future with new blood.
What it achieves is that they get to assess Lawson and acclimatise him
to the team and car ahead of the new season and/or allow them to decide
to give another driver a chance.

I think Dani has had some great drives and is probably unlucky not to
have picked up more wins, but that's how it often goes. Unlike many
others, though, I think he can hold his head up high and with a glowing >reputation amongst fans and the paddock alike.

Yes, he can hold his head up high! He deserved it!

I can understand the team long term strategy, but a bit of finesse in
change would be nice.
This is business, I know.
--
It's better to be judged by twelwe than carried by six.
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On 3/10/2024 10:09 pm, Mark wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.

Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

New blood good.

Phil

You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

Most seem to think he did pretty well.

I think he did pretty well, but I also think he's had his chances. I
*don't* think bringing Lawson in will magically improve things (and he
may actually do worse for a while), but I think they have to look
medium-long term rather than short-term.

As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.

I think that the reason behind bringing Lawson in is, as the main team's car is no longer as
dominant (see you Adrian!) RBR need a better driver than Checo and they decided that Dan is no
longer that driver. I think that this is an evaluation of Lawson to see if he's good enough to
replace Checo next year. To do so he needs to convincingly out-perform Tsunoda for the rest of the
year. So no pressure then. Also it's rumoured that if RBR didn't confirm him for a seat by the end
of September his contract stated that he'd have been free to entertain offers from other teams. So
instead of confirming him for next year they've thrown him in the deep end in true RBR style.

Oh, and by the by, remember when we discussed whether McLaren should not have allowed Piastri past
Norris for the win? The whisper on that is Piastri's manager, Mark "not bad for a number two
driver" Webber, has a clause in Piastri's contract stating that Piastri will never be a number two.
Also McLaren have (had?) a policy that whoever is leading after the first lap has preferential
treatment for the rest of the race. Consequently McLaren couldn't really NOT tell Norris to let
Piastri by.

Further whispers say that maybe, since then (and for this season only) there's been an arrangement
with Webber and Piastri that they'll now help Norris as he has a better chance of the WDC. (I dare
say that, if this is true, concessions have been made in Piastri's favour for the future - or
financial rewards will be in play for the rest of this season if Piastri is required to play number
two.)
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville.

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On 3/10/2024 10:09 pm, Mark wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.

Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

New blood good.

Phil

You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

Most seem to think he did pretty well.

I think he did pretty well, but I also think he's had his chances. I
*don't* think bringing Lawson in will magically improve things (and he
may actually do worse for a while), but I think they have to look
medium-long term rather than short-term.

As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.

So it should be applied to all drivers in the field, who haven't done as
well as Lawson did in the first ever 5 races ?

A bit harsh.
--
geoff
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Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.

Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

New blood good.

You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

Most seem to think he did pretty well.

"did"

If you don't understand the concept of either tenses or time,
we can have no serious discussion.

If you do, then work the fucking rest out yourself.

Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
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Yazoo <yazoo@myself.com> writes:

On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 13:03:28 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:
...

I have never understood RB's driver management. My point agrees that
this mid-season change won't help right now, but it might help them >>identify drivers for the future. If they've written off whatever Dani
can do this season, they may as well plan for the future with new blood. >>What it achieves is that they get to assess Lawson and acclimatise him
to the team and car ahead of the new season and/or allow them to decide
to give another driver a chance.

I think Dani has had some great drives and is probably unlucky not to
have picked up more wins, but that's how it often goes. Unlike many
others, though, I think he can hold his head up high and with a glowing >>reputation amongst fans and the paddock alike.

Yes, he can hold his head up high! He deserved it!

Absolutely. He's been one of the best contributors of both skill and
character to the forumula on my living memory, one of my favourites.
But it's best to keep things that way and not have a long drawn-out
fall from grace. And I think the last couple of years has been part of
that fall already. Stop it now.

I can understand the team long term strategy, but a bit of finesse in
change would be nice.
This is business, I know.

Strange business, for sure. Their inexplicable decisions don't end at
Dani Ric. The elephant in the room is surely 2 more years of Perez. Who
I also think is a great driver, but probably better as the driver to
learn from in the lower team rather than someone whose day job is
bringing in double-digit points every race weekend. At the moment he's
the driver who has cost Red Bull the constructor's championship. 6 good
races does not a winning season make.

Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
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On 4/10/2024 8:27 pm, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.

Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

New blood good.

You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

Most seem to think he did pretty well.

"did"

If you don't understand the concept of either tenses or time,
we can have no serious discussion.

If you do, then work the fucking rest out yourself.

Phil

Seems you are referring to LAW, who this thread is primarily about. But
not very clear who you are writing about because if LAW your responses
are irrational and harsh as he has done better than many other drivers
in the field

If you are in fact referring to RIC, then sad but agreed.
--
geoff
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On 4/10/2024 5:39 pm, Phil Carmody wrote:

Yazoo <yazoo@myself.com> writes:

On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 13:03:28 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:
...

I have never understood RB's driver management. My point agrees that
this mid-season change won't help right now, but it might help them
identify drivers for the future. If they've written off whatever Dani
can do this season, they may as well plan for the future with new blood. >>> What it achieves is that they get to assess Lawson and acclimatise him
to the team and car ahead of the new season and/or allow them to decide
to give another driver a chance.

I think Dani has had some great drives and is probably unlucky not to
have picked up more wins, but that's how it often goes. Unlike many
others, though, I think he can hold his head up high and with a glowing
reputation amongst fans and the paddock alike.

Yes, he can hold his head up high! He deserved it!

Absolutely. He's been one of the best contributors of both skill and character to the forumula on my living memory, one of my favourites.
But it's best to keep things that way and not have a long drawn-out
fall from grace. And I think the last couple of years has been part of
that fall already. Stop it now.

I am sad to see him go, he actually has a personality, and, in his Red
Bull days, was one of the most exciting drivers on the grid.

I can understand the team long term strategy, but a bit of finesse in
change would be nice.
This is business, I know.

Strange business, for sure. Their inexplicable decisions don't end at
Dani Ric. The elephant in the room is surely 2 more years of Perez. Who
I also think is a great driver, but probably better as the driver to
learn from in the lower team rather than someone whose day job is
bringing in double-digit points every race weekend. At the moment he's
the driver who has cost Red Bull the constructor's championship. 6 good
races does not a winning season make.

Phil

Several tens of millions of dollars bring a good deal of forgiveness.
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Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 3/10/2024 10:09 pm, Mark wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.

Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

New blood good.

Phil

You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

Most seem to think he did pretty well.

I think he did pretty well, but I also think he's had his chances. I
*don't* think bringing Lawson in will magically improve things (and he
may actually do worse for a while), but I think they have to look
medium-long term rather than short-term.

As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.

So it should be applied to all drivers in the field, who haven't done
as well as Lawson did in the first ever 5 races ?

A bit harsh.

Straw man.

Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
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On 8/10/2024 3:13 am, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 3/10/2024 10:09 pm, Mark wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and >>>>>> keep the ride for 2025.

Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

New blood good.

Phil

You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

Most seem to think he did pretty well.

I think he did pretty well, but I also think he's had his chances. I
*don't* think bringing Lawson in will magically improve things (and he
may actually do worse for a while), but I think they have to look
medium-long term rather than short-term.

As Phil says, new blood is a good thing.

So it should be applied to all drivers in the field, who haven't done
as well as Lawson did in the first ever 5 races ?

A bit harsh.

Straw man.

Phil

Are you OK >?
--
geoff
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Geoff wrote:

On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.

Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

New blood good.

Phil

You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

Most seem to think he did pretty well.

Late to the discussion BUT...

Are you both talking about the same driver?
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On 10/10/2024 5:16 am, Bigbird wrote:

Geoff wrote:

On 2/10/2024 4:54 am, Phil Carmody wrote:

Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:

On 27/09/2024 11:36 am, ~misfit~ wrote:

The worst kept secret of the last two weeks:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c5y076prkero

Hopefully he will be able to (at least) keep up hos good form, and
keep the ride for 2025.

Really? He's had his chance. And his second chance. And his third
chance. And his forth chance. And his fifth chance.

New blood good.

Phil

You think he should have won those races to get and keep a job ?

Most seem to think he did pretty well.

Late to the discussion BUT...

Are you both talking about the same driver?

I think (hope) Phil is talking about RIC. I was/am talking about LAW,
which should be pretty clear.
--
geoff
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