• Failure of blu-ray format?

    From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to iNoNaMouSe on Sunday, January 29, 2023 19:29:00
    Hello iNoNaMouSe!

    Personally, I still have a modest 32" 16:4, and it is quite
    good enuff even at 10'.

    BTW.. I meant to type 32" 16:9 above.


    You would be in the minority of everyone I know. I think
    very few are using a TV smaller than 45" in their homes
    anymore these days. Just look at the numbers from
    television sales. They don't lie :D

    32" was a respectable size over 14 years ago. ;) I think I
    paid a bit over $400 for mine. That was a fair chunk of
    change.

    It's a fine size for a small office or bedroom.

    For family/group viewing, sure larger could be better.


    A 65" Television is now the most popular purchased television size
    in North America

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/5/20682913/most-popular-tv-size-65-inch-55 -preference-market-research iNoNaMouSe

    I'm in no hurry to bother. I don't even have any subscription
    for TV at this time either.

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to iNoNaMouSe on Monday, January 30, 2023 06:44:10
    On 29 Jan 23 10:31:00 iNoNaMouSe wrote...

    I live in a condominium, which is not large by any means, and

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    So would that make it a condominimum?

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Monday, January 30, 2023 10:34:36
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Sat Jan 28 2023 11:15 pm

    https://bit.ly/3WKhX6e
    Full URL:
    https://heidijoyrobertson.medium.com/to-innovate-or-not-lessons-from-
    blu-r ays-f ailures-ce2c56486eea

    OK.. that just sounds like an opinion piece. One person. Does

    I sent multiple articles.. It's not just one person, but it seems a lot of people seem to think blu-ray has been a relative failure.

    I still think there is plenty market for physical DVDs. Not

    Sure, but I'm talking about blu-ray, not DVD. It seems DVDs actually still sell more than blu-ray discs, apparently because DVDs are less expensive and people have been confused about what blu-rays are etc.. Hence why people seem to think blu-ray is a relative failure (compared to DVDs).

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Monday, January 30, 2023 10:37:05
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Jan 29 2023 10:10 am

    Maybe things have changed, but the general imcompatibility of blu-rays with anything FOSS was a matter of magazine articles not long ago. There were some comercial packages that worked so-so and that was the most you would get.

    In my case, these days I mainly just either use a physical blu-ray player, or I'll rip it on my PC - In either case, I don't specifically need FOSS software anyway. There's one program I've been using for ripping discs (MakeMKV) and it works great for ripping blu-rays.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Monday, January 30, 2023 13:24:50
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to Ogg on Mon Jan 30 2023 10:34 am

    Sure, but I'm talking about blu-ray, not DVD. It seems DVDs actually still elative failure (compared to DVDs).


    IIn my opinion, the reason why people here thinks blu-ray is a relative failure is because nobody I know knows anybody who purchases blu-ray discs or dedicated players :-)

    Back in the day we all knew somebody who had extensive VHS libraries. This people then expanded to DVD libraries. And there it ended.

    You only need to check Spanish retailers to see it. The space they dedicated to VHS used to be vast. WIth DVD they had the same dedicated space until the last years (when privacy started eating the profits away, I suppose), at which point they limited their offering quite a bit. Blu-ray space nowadays is anecdotic and they usually carry the most badass blockbusters and nothing else.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nightfox on Monday, January 30, 2023 14:34:00
    Hello Nightfox!

    I sent multiple articles.. It's not just one person, but it seems a lot of people seem to think blu-ray has been a relative failure.

    You sent three. But the last one, reddit, did not load.


    I still think there is plenty market for physical DVDs. Not

    Sure, but I'm talking about blu-ray, not DVD. It seems
    DVDs actually still sell more than blu-ray discs,
    apparently because DVDs are less expensive and people have
    been confused about what blu-rays are etc.. Hence why
    people seem to think blu-ray is a relative failure
    (compared to DVDs).

    DVD vs BluRay, noted. But I meant the physical thing, either
    DVD or BR. I see discount bins filled with both, ranging in
    prices from $4 - $12. Many people RV'ing, or camping, or
    cottaging, may not have streaming as an option everywhere. But
    when they feel like a movie, the physical thing is the go to.

    I think the people who wrote those bluray and dvd is dead
    articles live in cities and have no idea of the lack of high
    speed internet in rural areas.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Monday, January 30, 2023 12:40:36
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Mon Jan 30 2023 02:34 pm

    I sent multiple articles.. It's not just one person, but it seems a
    lot of people seem to think blu-ray has been a relative failure.

    You sent three. But the last one, reddit, did not load.

    The Reddit link was a fairly long link that was split into 2 lines when I pasted it. If it was still like that when you read it, both lines probably had to be put back together to form the full link.

    DVD vs BluRay, noted. But I meant the physical thing, either
    DVD or BR. I see discount bins filled with both, ranging in

    Yeah, I can understand that. I like having a physical copy too - I tend to try to buy the highest quality version available at the time.

    I think the people who wrote those bluray and dvd is dead
    articles live in cities and have no idea of the lack of high
    speed internet in rural areas.

    That's probably true. I'm seeing these people saying blu-ray and physical media are dead formats, yet they keep making blu-ray & DVD releases..

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to iNoNaMouSe on Monday, January 30, 2023 12:46:10
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: iNoNaMouSe to Ogg on Sat Jan 28 2023 09:51 pm

    TV's these days. Heck, even the cost of a 65" is so low compared
    to where they used to be. The straglers out there in rural land
    are slowly dumping those DVDs also since 4g/5g internet or things
    like starlink are starting to reach them.

    I'm a little surprised that people are totally getting rid of all their physical media because of streaming. Streaming has its own issues - Sometimes the service has connectivity problems and might start buffering a lot. Also, they can remove content at any time. I've also heard of a couple situations where someone bought a movie on a streaming service, and later the service removed the movie.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to iNoNaMouSe on Monday, January 30, 2023 12:48:38
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: iNoNaMouSe to Ogg on Sun Jan 29 2023 10:31 am

    I live in a condominium, which is not large by any means, and
    I have a 75" screen in my living room, and 55" in both bedrooms.
    They are easily viewable and comfortable viewing.

    I feel like a 55" TV would probably be a bit large for a bedroom. I currently have a 42" TV in my bedroom, and that's probably as big as I'd want in my bedroom. I'm not very far from it when viewing though. I previously had a 32" TV in my bedroom and I thought that was okay too.

    The TV in my living room is 55", and I sit farther back from that when viewing it.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to iNoNaMouSe on Monday, January 30, 2023 12:50:51
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: iNoNaMouSe to Ogg on Sun Jan 29 2023 03:20 pm

    You would be in the minority of everyone I know. I think very few
    are using a TV smaller than 45" in their homes anymore these days.
    Just look at the numbers from television sales. They don't lie :D

    A 65" Television is now the most popular purchased television size
    in North America

    It probably depends on what room you're putting it in. I think many people (at least in the US) probably have more than one TV (one in the living room and one in the bedroom - and maybe another in kids' bedrooms). 65" would make sense for a living room, but for a bedroom I think one a lot smaller would be just fine. I had a 32" TV in my bedroom that I no longer have (after a divorce), and later I got a 42" TV in my bedroom, which I think is just fine - I almost feel like 42" is slightly too big for a bedroom though.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Monday, January 30, 2023 12:51:46
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Ogg to iNoNaMouSe on Sun Jan 29 2023 07:29 pm

    32" was a respectable size over 14 years ago. ;) I think I
    paid a bit over $400 for mine. That was a fair chunk of
    change.

    "was a respectable size".. :) It seems like people keep wanting things that are bigger and bigger.. Depending on the size of the room, I think a 32" TV can still be just fine today.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nightfox on Monday, January 30, 2023 17:43:00
    Hello Nightfox!

    32" was a respectable size over 14 years ago. ;) I think I
    paid a bit over $400 for mine. That was a fair chunk of
    change.

    "was a respectable size".. :)

    I spoke of it in past-tense because I purchased it in the past.
    THEN it was a CURRENT cost-effective popular size. Anyway.. I
    only purchased it because my existing 30" console TV gave up
    the ghost. Its 30"x30" screen seemed more satisfying than the
    new widescreen 32". At that time, I may have preferred a 42"
    to make up for the shorter vertical height on the 32", but the
    42" was at least $200 more or something like that.


    It seems like people keep wanting things that are bigger
    and bigger..

    That could be misleading. Maybe people simply buy what is
    available or in stock at the time. Retailers determine what
    they will carry on the floor.

    Anyway.. back to BluRay.. I don't see it as a failed tech. BR
    discs can usually have more feature-content added and longer
    playing times than a standard DVD. BR is far from dead. And.. I
    thought DL-DVD (8GB) was amazing wrt to storage.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Monday, January 30, 2023 17:29:43
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to iNoNaMouSe on Mon Jan 30 2023 12:50 pm

    It probably depends on what room you're putting it in. I think many people
    but for a bedroom I think one a lot smaller would be just fine. I had a 32 edroom though.


    People having a TV in the bedroom is news to me.

    Around here, if people has an extra TV, it is usually in the kitchen so they can get their daily dose of misinformation while having breakfast.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Monday, January 30, 2023 16:44:32
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Mon Jan 30 2023 05:43 pm

    Anyway.. back to BluRay.. I don't see it as a failed tech. BR
    discs can usually have more feature-content added and longer
    playing times than a standard DVD. BR is far from dead. And.. I
    thought DL-DVD (8GB) was amazing wrt to storage.

    That's what I think as well. I don't see blu-ray as a failed technology.

    It is definitely superior to DVD. When people say it is a failed technology, I think what they're actually saying is not that it's not superior, but it's a market failure. I've read from different sources that for those who are buying movies & shows on physical media, DVD discs still vastly outsell blu-ray discs. Basically, after all these years, DVD still has a lot more marketshare than blu-ray. I find that mind-boggling, but I suppose that's where the market is. But many people are also no longer buying physical media at all, tending to just rely on streaming (which is something I don't like to do).

    The fact that so few people are apparently buying blu-ray disc probably means it's more of a niche thing (like buying vinyl recodrs), and blu-ray videos may end up being more expensive. And indeed, I have seen some blu-ray releases be fairly expensive sometimes (especially 4K versions). If not enough people are buying them, I suppose it makes sense that they'd get more expensive.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Monday, January 30, 2023 16:45:57
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Mon Jan 30 2023 05:29 pm

    People having a TV in the bedroom is news to me.

    Around here, if people has an extra TV, it is usually in the kitchen so they can get their daily dose of misinformation while having breakfast.

    Oh? I'm curious where you live, since it seems very common for people to have a TV in the bedroom where I live. And I can't say I've seen anyone with a TV in the kitchen.

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    From your BBS origin line, I'd guess you're in Florida? Or I suppose you might just be a user of the BBS and not the sysop?

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Tuesday, January 31, 2023 18:26:50
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Mon Jan 30 2023 04:45 pm

    Around here, if people has an extra TV, it is usually in the kitchen so they can get their daily dose of misinformation while having breakfast.

    Oh? I'm curious where you live, since it seems very common for people to ha

    I am from a small republic which borders with Spain just were its surrounding fences are.

    To be honest, I think TV is every bit as harmful as heroine these days. I don't know why anybody would have a set if it is not linked to some activity not related to watching TV broadcasts (such as playing game consoles or watching DVDs or whatever). The idea people has more than one TV set at home absolutely terrifies me.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Tuesday, January 31, 2023 16:47:47
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jan 31 2023 06:26 pm

    To be honest, I think TV is every bit as harmful as heroine these days. I don't know why anybody would have a set if it is not linked to some activity not related to watching TV broadcasts (such as playing game consoles or watching DVDs or whatever). The idea people has more than one TV set at home absolutely terrifies me.

    With my TVs, I often watch media from my home media server, and sometimes over-the-air broadcasts for local news and weather, and sometimes game shows, and sometimes streaming movies & shows from online streaming. I'm not sure what's so terrifying about it. I do occasionally play games on it too, but I'm more of a PC gamer than a console/TV gamer.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 01, 2023 08:52:24
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Tue Jan 31 2023 04:47 pm

    With my TVs, I often watch media from my home media server, and sometimes ov it. I do occasionally play games on it too, but I'm more of a PC gamer than


    It is terrifying because it shows people is getting addicted to a mind-rotting drug, and they are not even aware.

    I am sure you are familiar with the boiling frog analogy. If you put a frog in boiling water, it will try to escape. If you put a frog in warm water and then slowly heat the water up, it won't notice it is being boiled alive. As somebody who does not watch TV regularly, I can tell you that is exactly what is happening with TV.

    If you watch a TV broadcast now and a TV broadcast in one year, the decline in content and quality will horrorify you. Every single time I am accidentally exposed to TV, the material on it is tailored to dumber people than the last time. I am sure it is so gradual that if you are exposed to it regularly, you won't notice, but oh boy! Once you notice you will create a terrorist org to bomb TV stations in the name of sanity.

    The fact there is people putting themselves through this on their own will without realizing is depresing.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Wednesday, February 01, 2023 09:03:58
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Wed Feb 01 2023 08:52 am

    With my TVs, I often watch media from my home media server, and
    sometimes ov it. I do occasionally play games on it too, but I'm more
    of a PC gamer than

    It is terrifying because it shows people is getting addicted to a mind-rotting drug, and they are not even aware.

    If you watch a TV broadcast now and a TV broadcast in one year, the decline in content and quality will horrorify you. Every single time I am accidentally exposed to TV, the material on it is tailored to dumber people than the last time. I am sure it is so gradual that if you are exposed to it regularly, you won't notice, but oh boy! Once you notice you will create a terrorist org to bomb TV stations in the name of sanity.

    You can choose what to watch though.. They aren't forcing you to watch any particular thing.

    I heard that people used to say similar things about books (that they're mind-rotting etc.) before TV came aorund.

    To me, TV just seems like a form of entertainment. It's something to pass the time, and content can be taken with a grain of salt. That, and it can be good for local news, weather, etc..

    I am sure you are familiar with the boiling frog analogy. If you put a

    Actually I hadn't heard that.

    frog in boiling water, it will try to escape. If you put a frog in warm water and then slowly heat the water up, it won't notice it is being boiled alive. As somebody who does not watch TV regularly, I can tell you that is exactly what is happening with TV.

    Sounds like a lot of "sky is falling" kind of over-worrying. I don't think we are beholden to TV.

    IMO there's no harm in watching a movie or TV show, local news etc. every so often.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 01, 2023 16:14:00
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Feb 01 2023 09:03 am

    I heard that people used to say similar things about books (that they're min

    I haven't, but then, I have not seen the contents of books crash down in quality as bad as I have seen TV in general. And I have seen very bad books.

    People does not get hooked to books the same way they get hooked to TV at all.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 01, 2023 18:25:00
    Hello Nightfox!

    I heard that people used to say similar things about books
    (that they're mind-rotting etc.) before TV came aorund.

    Reading and literacy have always been regarded as valued skills
    and ability. I wonder if what you heard (ie. mind-rotting) was
    from a select small group.

    Sounds like a lot of "sky is falling" kind of over-
    worrying. I don't think we are beholden to TV.

    But I bet that many people consider tv is "easier" than reading
    or not worth the effort. I had a young family in my book shop
    one time and one of their kids runs up to their dad "Look what
    I found!" ..and asked for permission to buy it. The dad said,
    "You don't need that. We saw the movie."




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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Wednesday, February 01, 2023 17:14:12
    Re: Failure of.. (reading/tv/blu-ray)
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Wed Feb 01 2023 06:25 pm

    Sounds like a lot of "sky is falling" kind of over-
    worrying. I don't think we are beholden to TV.

    But I bet that many people consider tv is "easier" than reading

    Still, I don't really think TV is addicting like a drug, and I don't think there are significant adverse affects due only to TV. People can spend too much time doing a particular thing, and that's not unique to watching TV.

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  • From Ogg@21:3/110.10 to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 01, 2023 20:43:00
    Hello Nightfox!

    Still, I don't really think TV is addicting like a drug,
    and I don't think there are significant adverse affects due
    only to TV. People can spend too much time doing a
    particular thing, and that's not unique to watching TV.

    In my experience tv can be addicting. My mom would insist NOT
    missing the Young and the Restless everday and precisely on
    time. If she arrived home after work at 4:30p, the first thing
    she would do is turn on the tv to watch that. She'd only leave
    the room or take off her coat if there was a commercial. My
    dad was similar but initally addicted to the news; he'd watch
    the hourly news from one feed, and then turn the dish (we had a
    C-band system at one point) and watch the SAME news from
    another feed - for HOURS! Eventually, he joined my mom with
    the Y&R. :/


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Wednesday, February 01, 2023 18:44:47
    Re: Failure of.. (reading/tv/blu-ray)
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Wed Feb 01 2023 08:43 pm

    In my experience tv can be addicting. My mom would insist NOT
    missing the Young and the Restless every day and precisely on
    time. If she arrived home after work at 4:30p, the first thing
    she would do is turn on the tv to watch that. She'd only leave
    the room or take off her coat if there was a commercial. My

    People often do things like that for almost anything they like to do. So I'm not sure it's because TV is addicting; probably that it's just a show she really liked to watch. And historically, TV shows have been only aired at a certain time and day, so unless you have a way to record it, you'll miss it if you aren't around to watch it at that time (which gives it a bit of scarcity).
    There are still a lot of TV shows these days that are aired that way, but many people either have a way to record it or can watch it with on-demand streaming services, so they can watch it any time they want and don't need to make sure they're at the TV at a particular time.

    Similarly, some people are big fans of certain bands and like to go to as many of their concerts as possible. Or, someone might be really into martial arts and attend a lot of martial arts competitions and events. Or perhaps someone might be a devout member of a church and like to make sure they attend church service regularly. Not everything like that is because of addiction.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 01, 2023 22:17:00
    Hello Nightfox!

    People often do things like that for almost anything they
    like to do. So I'm not sure it's because TV is addicting;
    probably that it's just a show she really liked to watch..

    We had no means to record OTA at the time. But eventually I
    found a way with an HDD recorder. Anyway.. the viewing of Y&R
    was just one example. And this was every day, so yes.. that
    constitutes addiction for the sake of other things that might
    otherwise be more important.

    ...but many people either have a way to record it or can
    watch it with on-demand streaming services, so they can
    watch it any time they want and don't need to make sure
    they're at the TV at a particular time.

    Exactly. So that enables the addiction! :D


    Similarly, some people are big fans of certain bands and
    like to go to as many of their concerts as possible. Or,
    someone might be really into martial arts and attend a lot
    of martial arts competitions and events. Or perhaps
    someone might be a devout member of a church and like to
    make sure they attend church service regularly. Not
    everything like that is because of addiction.

    Bands, MA events, and church are different. Those wouldn't be
    daily activities.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Wednesday, February 01, 2023 20:03:58
    Re: Failure of.. (reading/tv/blu-ray)
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Wed Feb 01 2023 10:17 pm

    constitutes addiction for the sake of other things that might
    otherwise be more important.

    If they're prioritising it over other things that are more important, that could be considered an addiction.

    ...but many people either have a way to record it or can
    watch it with on-demand streaming services, so they can
    watch it any time they want and don't need to make sure
    they're at the TV at a particular time.

    Exactly. So that enables the addiction! :D

    I was thinking earlier tonight that DVRs and on-demand streaming could actually make it easier to put off watching TV for more important things, because the content will be there for you to watch it any time. There would be no need to prioritize it over things that are more important.

    Bands, MA events, and church are different. Those wouldn't be
    daily activities.

    Most TV shows aren't daily activities either. The Young and the Reestless may be an exception (I think it is on every day?), but most TV shows only have one episode released each week. And these days, many TV shows only have around 10-15 episodes per season (compared to 20+ years ago, when TV shows commonly had around 25 episodes per season).

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Ogg on Thursday, February 02, 2023 00:29:52
    On 01 Feb 23 20:43:00 Ogg wrote...

    Hello Nightfox!

    Still, I don't really think TV is addicting like a drug, and I
    don't think there are significant adverse affects due only to TV.
    People can spend too much time doing a particular thing, and
    that's not unique to watching TV.

    In my experience tv can be addicting. My mom would insist NOT
    missing the Young and the Restless everday and precisely on time.
    If she arrived home after work at 4:30p, the first thing she would
    do is turn on the tv to watch that. She'd only leave the room or
    take off her coat if there was a commercial. My dad was similar
    but initally addicted to the news; he'd watch the hourly news from
    one feed, and then turn the dish (we had a C-band system at one
    point) and watch the SAME news from another feed - for HOURS! Eventually, he joined my mom with the Y&R. :/

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    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    I'm inclined to agree that it can be addicting... just like social media.

    For awhile, before I cut it off entirely, I'd be constantly checking FB
    just like "the kids" check their Tweeter feeds now.

    TV can be the same way... especially with binge watching stuff on demand
    and such. I've even noticed that in the Atari BBS community, one of the
    most active topics of conversation revolves around who's watching what at
    any given time and the suggestion to have others watch it.

    I'm really convinced it's a thing. I remember for many many years, I
    didn't really have any TV to speak of. I'd watch the odd movie here and
    there on my laptop. Had a lot more free time back then. As I got the
    TV, then the couch, things progressed into more TV watching and less
    doing other hobbies. NetFlix.......? Even more time.

    Now, only God knows how many services I'm subscribed to. So I need to go
    to church next weekend and get the list from Him so I can start removing
    some.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Thursday, February 02, 2023 04:34:05
    Re: Failure of.. (reading/tv/blu-ray)
    By: Nightfox to Ogg on Wed Feb 01 2023 05:14 pm

    Still, I don't really think TV is addicting like a drug, and I don't think t

    You really need to watch society from outside in order to realize how culturaly dependent we are on TV.

    You walk into office and most of the talk which is not related to work itself has to do with things produced by TV. If they ask you your opinion about whatever new show they are broadcasting, and you tell them you have no idea what they are talking about because you don t watch TV, they either a) tell you you are lying b) tell you "yeah, I never watch TV either" (false). In either case you are left a bit of a pariah because you are not part of the same cultural unit the most of the country is integrated in.

    Taking TV overdoses regularly is one of those cultural things that set you appart when skipped. It is like being a Spaniard and not partaking in Big-Bottles (drunktard parties), or not using Whatsapp. Failing to do these impair your ability to socialize because not acting like "regular people" does marks you as an outsider, and human societies are very good at othering anybody that does not conform to the mold.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nightfox on Thursday, February 02, 2023 08:25:00
    Hello Nightfox!

    ...but many people either have a way to record it or can
    watch it with on-demand streaming services, so they can
    watch it any time..

    Exactly. So that enables the addiction! :D

    I was thinking earlier tonight that DVRs and on-demand
    streaming could actually make it easier to put off watching
    TV for more important things, because the content will be
    there for you to watch it any time. There would be no need
    to prioritize it over things that are more important.

    And then you end up with a pile of programming that you could
    be tempted to binge watch. :D

    ...but most TV shows only have one episode released each
    week. And these days, many TV shows only have around 10-15
    episodes per season (compared to 20+ years ago, when TV
    shows commonly had around 25 episodes per season).

    So, then you record them all, and binge watch them over an
    evening or weekend and sacrifice family and friends and other
    things. :(



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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Thursday, February 02, 2023 09:08:52
    Re: Failure of.. (reading/tv/blu-ray)
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Thu Feb 02 2023 04:34 am

    You really need to watch society from outside in order to realize how culturaly dependent we are on TV.

    You walk into office and most of the talk which is not related to work itself has to do with things produced by TV. If they ask you your opinion

    Oh, there are a lot of times when people bring up a TV show or something and ask if I've seen it, and much of the time I haven't because I don't subscribe to many streaming services at all. I don't really think it's a big issue though. People have things they like to watch on TV, much in the same way some people have certain types of books (or authors) they like to read, music they like to listen to, etc..

    TV is also a way to keep up to date on the news, like the newspaper, or the various sources we have online.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Thursday, February 02, 2023 09:12:07
    Re: Failure of.. (reading/tv/blu-ray)
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Thu Feb 02 2023 08:25 am

    I was thinking earlier tonight that DVRs and on-demand
    streaming could actually make it easier to put off watching

    And then you end up with a pile of programming that you could
    be tempted to binge watch. :D

    It may depend on the person. Personally, I feel like I can only take so much watching TV, and I'll probably feel like doing something else after maybe 2-3 hours. TV is a non-interactive form of entertainment, and sometimes I feel like I want to do something that involves keeping my mind more active, rather than just passively watching things.

    ...but most TV shows only have one episode released each
    week. And these days, many TV shows only have around 10-15
    episodes per season (compared to 20+ years ago, when TV
    shows commonly had around 25 episodes per season).

    So, then you record them all, and binge watch them over an
    evening or weekend and sacrifice family and friends and other
    things. :(

    The simple answer is, prioritize friends and family over TV, especially when that TV content will still be there for you to watch later.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Thursday, February 02, 2023 20:40:00
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 02.02.23 - 04:34, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:

    You walk into office and most of the talk which is not
    related to work itself has to do with things produced by
    TV. If they ask you your opinion about whatever new show
    they are broadcasting, and you tell them you have no idea
    what they are talking about because you don t watch TV,
    [...]

    Wrong answer! The best answer is "No comment." :D


    [...] In either case you are left a bit of a pariah because
    you are not part of the same cultural unit the most of the
    country is integrated in.

    Wouldn't bother me what they think of me. I'd rather not be
    part of that clique if TV is their only source of
    "conversation" anyway.


    [...] Failing to do these impair your ability to socialize
    because not acting like "regular people" does marks you as
    an outsider, and human societies are very good at othering
    anybody that does not conform to the mold.


    Ever read "The Outsider" by Colin Wilson?

    "Wilson lived this book as much as wrote it. As an impoverished
    23-year-old, the Englishman slept in a tent in a London park so
    that he could be free of material demands to dedicate himself
    fully to his study. When The Outsider appeared in 1956, it
    became a sensation among both critics and beats, who formed the
    vanguard of the dawning Aquarian Age.

    "In Wilson's epic exploration of mystics, visionaries, literary
    pioneers, political troublemakers, and rule breakers of all
    sorts, he evoked a new kind of heroism, which changed how we
    view ourselves and our purpose in life.

    Nothing wrong with being an outsider.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Friday, February 03, 2023 04:06:27
    Re: Failure of.. (reading/tv/blu-ray)
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Thu Feb 02 2023 09:08 am

    TV is also a way to keep up to date on the news, like the newspaper, or the

    He who does not read the newspaper is uninformed. He who reads the newspaper is misinformed.

    It is always funny to watch people complain when they read something they are familiar with in the newspaper and get angry because the information is all wrong. THen they turn the page and assume the next article is 100% factually correct.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Friday, February 03, 2023 04:15:42
    Re: Failure of.. (reading/tv/blu-ray)
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Thu Feb 02 2023 08:40 pm

    Wouldn't bother me what they think of me. I'd rather not be
    part of that clique if TV is their only source of
    "conversation" anyway.


    It is not a matter of being bothered by what they think of you, as much as a matter of having a harder time building networks of friends to support you because you are a cultural misfit.

    I have been told in a very serious manner I must be an emotional-cripple because I don't want to partake in Big-Bottles. If you don't immerse yourself in the culture of the place you are located you are bound to be left cast aside by virtue of not thinking like everybody does. Like it or hate it, for a long time the TV has been the only opinion generator people considered
    and thus people keeps only the canned opinions the TV gives to them. If
    you exist outside the box you are a weird entity.


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  • From Daniele Somma@21:4/183 to Nightfox on Sunday, February 05, 2023 18:32:44
    I'm thinking, is this really serious? I find it hard to believe.

    I doubt that's hard to believe, honestly.

    For me, these are the main 2 reasons this format failed:

    1) Streaming media surclassed physical media, even for videogames.
    2) Blu-rays aren't compatible with DVD players.

    Somehow reminds me the flop of the Video CD format. No one wanted to buy a VCD player knowing that they could still watch movies with VHS.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Daniele Somma on Monday, February 06, 2023 10:49:44
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Daniele Somma to Nightfox on Sun Feb 05 2023 06:32 pm

    I'm thinking, is this really serious? I find it hard to believe.

    I doubt that's hard to believe, honestly.

    For me, these are the main 2 reasons this format failed:

    1) Streaming media surclassed physical media, even for videogames.

    I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "surclassed", but if you mean it's meant to be superior, I don't think streaming is superior to physical media. For videos, they often compress them to enable a good streaming experience, but that means the video quality is often quite a bit less than what you'd get on physical media.

    2) Blu-rays aren't compatible with DVD players.

    Of course not.. But, blu-ray came out in 2006 (17 years ago) - By now, I'd have expected that a lot of people would have probably replaced their DVD player with a blu-ray player as prices have gone down. I don't see how this would be such a problem impeding the sale of blu-ray discs. Cassette tapes replaced 8-track tapes in a similar fashion.

    Somehow reminds me the flop of the Video CD format. No one wanted to buy a VCD player knowing that they could still watch movies with VHS.

    I thought the video CD failed to catch on due to other reasons. I had never even heard of video CD, and by the time I did, I already had a DVD player. Maybe it's due to where I live, and perhaps video CD just never caught on at all in the US. People here mostly went straight from VHS to DVD (there was also Videodisc in between, but those were too expensive for most people).

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Monday, February 06, 2023 23:07:00
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 03.02.23 - 04:15, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    It is not a matter of being bothered by what they think of
    you, as much as a matter of having a harder time building
    networks of friends to support you because you are a
    cultural misfit.

    Let them have their Botell¢n and get drunk. The next day
    wouldn't matter what they thought of you.

    I have been told in a very serious manner I must be an
    emotional-cripple because I don't want to partake in Big-
    Bottles.

    "emotional cripple" is hilarious. And that is from the people
    who participate in big-bottles? If they need a bottle for
    enjoyment, I would think they are the cripple.

    If you don't immerse yourself in the culture of
    the place you are located you are bound to be left cast
    aside by virtue of not thinking like everybody does. Like
    it or hate it, for a long time the TV has been the only
    opinion generator people considered and thus people keeps
    only the canned opinions the TV gives to them. If you exist
    outside the box you are a weird entity.

    Sounds like TV plays a big role in grooming attitudes in your
    country. That sounds sad.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 07:17:03
    Re: Failure of.. (reading/tv/blu-ray)
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Feb 06 2023 11:07 pm

    I have been told in a very serious manner I must be an
    emotional-cripple because I don't want to partake in Big-
    Bottles.

    "emotional cripple" is hilarious. And that is from the people
    who participate in big-bottles? If they need a bottle for
    enjoyment, I would think they are the cripple.


    Lol, well, fun fact is some days after I posted this, somebody showed me a video from an Argentinan warning other South Americans against our habits.

    I don't have the video here, but some pieces I remember:

    "This place will turn you into an alcoholic."

    "There is no way of socializing here other than drinking and eating. If you try to go out with friends to do something else, then at some point somebody will drag the group to a bar."

    "Just after finishing job, my workmates told me to go out for some fun. They took me to a bar. Here they always give you snacks for free with your drinks, so what a lot of people does is to walk into a bar, drink and eat, then walk into the next bar in the street and drink and eat some more [...] by the time I realized I had been drinking and eating since 3 pm and it was nearly 11 [...] despite my efforts not to drink that much I was feeling like shit the next day."


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Thursday, February 09, 2023 08:36:00
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Tuesday 07.02.23 - 07:17, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    Lol, well, fun fact is some days after I posted this,
    somebody showed me a video from an Argentinan warning other
    South Americans against our habits.

    I suppose it's not really much different among youth anywhere
    else actually. Tail-gate parties (primarily in the parking lot
    at some sports arena, or just at someone's home) would be
    common here too.

    "There is no way of socializing here other than drinking
    and eating. If you try to go out with friends to do
    something else, then at some point somebody will drag the
    group to a bar."

    Yeah.. it's called a pub-crawl here. Very common at university
    towns.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ogg on Thursday, February 09, 2023 07:03:00
    Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-

    Yeah.. it's called a pub-crawl here. Very common at university
    towns.

    When I started working my first "real" job in San Francisco, my bus (an electric trolley, actually) picked me up from the Ferry building, right
    on the bay. I'd have a friend meet me, we'd take the train to the next
    stop, get off, have a drink, then get back on.

    5 or 6 stops later, we'd end up at my apartment on the other end of
    town, along the ocean.

    The beauty of San Francisco back then was that you could get anywhere on
    public transit, 24/7, and an monthly unlimited bus pass was $28.00.




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