On 06 Apr 23 22:10:50 Darklord wrote...

To which Darklord replies...

Honestly, if you're going to be using the adapted games from the
source I mentioned, TOS v2.06 will be fine for most games. I can't absolutely say for all games though. It's nice to have the TOS
decoder if you ever do need to "downshift" for compatibility reasons.

Hmm, running an Atari ST BBS under emulation? Well...in a nutshell,
good luck. :) To the best of my knowledge (and someone can jump in
and correct me on this if it's not accurate), only 1 person has ever
got the serial port stuff working under emulation for a BBS. It's
also my grave understanding getting it working almost put that person
in a looney-bin.

Now 8bit Atari's? That's a whole different story. There are a ton of emulated Atari 8bit BBS's.

Hope this helps.

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

So, ESC... First let me apologize for not getting back to your email. I
had intended to write something more detailed than I had the time for at
the moment and just got sidetracked (things went nuts around the holidays
and really are just now starting to calm down).

DarkLord is right... only one guy that I know of ever pulled it off, and
it was a pretty customized environment. He made it very crystal clear
that he "did not want to be anyone's Yoda" in that regard. It was still
pretty unstable and never quite worked right.

I've also done some dabbling with it (though to be honest, I'm not much
of an emulation person, but I thought I'd try it out just to see if it
could be done). I never really like the results and kinda just left it
at that point.

The real problem with the ST emulators is that they're really designed
more for gaming. Things like properly emulating a modem didn't seem to
be on the to-do list... so while you might be able to run a Term program
ok in emulation with a bit of work, the control signals that the BBS
relies on (for say, knowing when someone dropped carrier) don't seem to
work right.

Considering like I said that I personally have no use for it since I'm
not big into emulation and because we kinda have more BBS's than we can
support (the ST BBS's are even more the red-headed stepchildren as many 8-bitters don't consider us "real Atari") I probably won't be putting
much more effort into it anytime soon.

But as DarkLord says, good luck if you take the challenge on!

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Re: Re: Retro Games
By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Fri Mar 24 2023 08:22 pm

Goldeneye is on XBox now :-)

I've never played Goldeneye, but I've always heard it was a popular N64 game.

It is - and one of the original FPS - first one with multiplayer I
THINK - but not sure...




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Re: Re: Retro Games
By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Fri May 05 2023 09:15 pm

Goldeneye is on XBox now :-)

I've never played Goldeneye, but I've always heard it was a popular
N64 game.

It is - and one of the original FPS - first one with multiplayer I
THINK - but not sure...

If you consider all platforms (not just N64 or console), Doom (1993) had multi-player support. Heretic (1994, for PC) also had multi-player, from what I remember.

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If you consider all platforms (not just N64 or console), Doom (1993)
had multi-player support. Heretic (1994, for PC) also had
multi-player, from what I remember.

Yeah, I was going to reply to this but then I figured I'd wait and see if someone else already had. Goldeneye *might* be the first multiplayer on console, but it's definitely not the first multi-player FPS. Depending on how far you want to stretch the definition of FPS, that *might* be Midi Maze on
the Atari ST, which dates back to the late 80s.

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Re: Re: Retro Games
By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Fri May 05 2023 09:15 pm

I've never played Goldeneye, but I've always heard it was a popular N64 game.

It is - and one of the original FPS - first one with multiplayer I
THINK - but not sure...

The game was fine but controls were lacking, even for its day. If you picked the midget character for multiplayer you were at an advantage because many players had trouble moving the aim down to shoot at you. Oh, the memories...

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On 06 May 23 07:57:50 Abbub wrote...

If you consider all platforms (not just N64 or console), Doom
(1993) had multi-player support. Heretic (1994, for PC) also had multi-player, from what I remember.

Yeah, I was going to reply to this but then I figured I'd wait and
see if someone else already had. Goldeneye *might* be the first
multiplayer on console, but it's definitely not the first
multi-player FPS. Depending on how far you want to stretch the
definition of FPS, that *might* be Midi Maze on the Atari ST, which
dates back to the late 80s.

To which Darklord replies...

Glad you mentioned Midi Maze. I was going to if you hadn't. :)

Something like 16 Atari ST's, chained together by MIDI and all trying to
kill each other - perfect fun!

The box cover said it perfectly "Put on a happy face" but the "put on"
was crossed out and had "Kill" written in. The players avatars were round
happy faces in the game, to put that in perspective.

Great stuff, good times. Huge Atari ST fan here - still have a handful
and run The DarkForce! BBS on an Atari Mega ST4. :)

Power without the Price! / Have you played Atari today?

Righteousness incorporated... :D


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On 12 May 23 16:23:28 Darklord wrote...

The box cover said it perfectly "Put on a happy face" but the "put
on" was crossed out and had "Kill" written in. The players avatars
were round happy faces in the game, to put that in perspective.

Great stuff, good times. Huge Atari ST fan here - still have a
handful and run The DarkForce! BBS on an Atari Mega ST4. :)

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

I think everyone knows about our AtariNess by now. :) But we have to
keep spreading the word, right? Actually from what I remember, I think
the 8-bit version of MIDI Maze is actually compatible? I'm guessing the FujiNet setup for it wouldn't work (since it isn't a physical MIDI) but
if you have actual MIDI hardware for the 8-bit I'm pretty sure you can
have the STers and 8-bitters together.

So the final showdown at last!

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On 13 May 23 07:36:56 Commodore Clifford wrote...

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

I think everyone knows about our AtariNess by now. :) But we have to
keep spreading the word, right? Actually from what I remember, I
think the 8-bit version of MIDI Maze is actually compatible? I'm
guessing the FujiNet setup for it wouldn't work (since it isn't a
physical MIDI) but if you have actual MIDI hardware for the 8-bit I'm pretty sure you can have the STers and 8-bitters together.

So the final showdown at last!

To which Darklord replies...

Well, here's what a quick google search revealed:

https://gamicus.fandom.com/wiki/MIDI_Maze


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On 22 May 23 00:02:08 Darklord wrote...

Well, here's what a quick google search revealed:

https://gamicus.fandom.com/wiki/MIDI_Maze

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Ok, so it does work.

I wonder if that Con of the North is still a thing? We have offices in Minnesota, so maybe I can figure out a way to expense it. :)

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On 28 May 23 12:53:16 Commodore Clifford wrote...

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Ok, so it does work.

I wonder if that Con of the North is still a thing? We have offices
in Minnesota, so maybe I can figure out a way to expense it. :)

To which Darklord replies...

Not a clue but I'm getting a mental image of us barging in, packing about
a dozen SC1224 monitors 'n ST's. Yeah! When they ask for an explanation
(as we're stringing MIDI cables), we just tell them to think early (real early!) token ring... :)


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On 28 May 23 23:03:34 Darklord wrote...

Not a clue but I'm getting a mental image of us barging in, packing
about a dozen SC1224 monitors 'n ST's. Yeah! When they ask for an explanation (as we're stringing MIDI cables), we just tell them to
think early (real early!) token ring... :)

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Uh, guys... this is a snowshoe salesmen convention......

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On 29 May 23 07:47:34 Commodore Clifford wrote...

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Uh, guys... this is a snowshoe salesmen convention......

To which Darklord replies...

Or that...'cause I'm sure they would totally fall for that explanation,
ya know? :)



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