Also, pretty much all the text in your message was very dark (the "high intensity black" attribute, I think), so it was a bit difficult to read..
They're tilting at windmills here, seeing all this bigotry and hate which just
isn't there.
that. Rents are no different. Rental prices are $1800+ a month - on places that I very well remember used to be $250 a month.
Telling young people to just "watch their finances" and such isn't the solution. I know plenty of young folks who work and sleep, spend next to nothing on outside activities, and are still scrimping. How many jobs should they get to afford to eat and keep the rain off their heads?
My son is graduating college and looking to strike out on his own.
Against my advice, he's living in a wannabe apartment on campus. Since it's campus housing, he's going to have to move out and find a job. And try to get housing without a work history. He's going to have a couple
of roommates, for sure.
hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Wasn't that normal in bigger cities in US also in the 90s? I recall Friends tv show telling that story as quite standard in NYC. SF has no reason to be different.
Now, the $600 apartment is $2800, and the $1000 rental is worth $1.7 million.
Still, if I had 5000+ a month in my personal earnings and basically two salaries if a life partner is considered.. wouldn't I be just fine?
Yes, and no. 2 tech people making $5K/month would be just fine and have
a life with lots of dining out, or day care for a kid. The problem is
that the market adjusts, and the plumber, parking lot attendant, and artist can't afford to live in the city any more. So, a vibrant city
full of artisans, craftsmen, trades, waiters and baristas with multi-generational families becomes a tech haven. San Francisco even has
a tech cabal who want to re-write the city to fit their idea of a tech utopia. It was just fine before they arrived. --- SBBSecho 3.23-Win32
hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Well, I see. The way it works in my town is that with high-waged folks prices went up... including plumbing and whatever so everybody can
afford his minimum.. I assumed this is how capitalism works.
I'd love pay half of the price for some of the fixes or learn how to do
it myself. Even if I do... I don't have time for that as my hour needs
to be well spent to maximize profit and then free time. So I actually
am OK to pay twice what I was used to couple of years ago for home services, assuming this keeps the folks in available..
Art and craft is a different story. But I also think a lot of that
moved to the internet eventually and for good art or craft I am able to drive and fly far.
I'd miss pubs and restaurants but with my age and family orientated lifestyle I don't care that much anymore.
I like my backyard and deck and swimming pool and you name it.. and
also nature so for that sake I actually moved out from big city. More
to find silence than to afford better. Many also do that if remote
working is an option.
Then going to store to have a few crates of beer, meat and whatever supplies and then back home and spending time with friends in the
backyard became a thing.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to hollowone <=-
One nice thing about San Francisco was being able to have the best of
both worlds. I lived out on the west side of the city, a block from
Golden Gate Park and a few blocks from the beach, with a house and a
back yard. It was quiet in the Avenues, but you were 20 minutes from downtown. Coming home, you could grab a drink, walk to the beach and
watch the sun go down over the ocean.
One nice thing about San Francisco was being able to have the best of
both worlds. I lived out on the west side of the city, a block from
Golden Gate Park and a few blocks from the beach, with a house and a
back yard. It was quiet in the Avenues, but you were 20 minutes from downtown. Coming home, you could grab a drink, walk to the beach and
watch the sun go down over the ocean.
hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
back yard. It was quiet in the Avenues, but you were 20 minutes from downtown. Coming home, you could grab a drink, walk to the beach and
watch the sun go down over the ocean.
Sounds like days long gone...
The outer Sunset area is still (relatively) affordable, and has lots of young people around - San Francisco State University is right down the road. The beach is still there, the area is relatively franchise-resistant, and the coffee at Java Beach still rocks.
j0hnny a1pha wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The outer Sunset area is still (relatively) affordable, and has lots of young people around - San Francisco State University is right down the road. The beach is still there, the area is relatively franchise-resistant, and the coffee at Java Beach still rocks.
Bay Area guy, too! I agree on Sunset (and Richmond) areas being a good places to be... Young families, yards, etc. My son is looking for a
place in SF right now but the invetory is TIGHT!
I read that housing/rental prices in SF took a hit post-Covid -- like
15% down from its peak -- as tech co's did downsizing, relocating and
many remote startup employess ditched the city. Now, Private Equity companies are coming in and making things worse, buying stuff up.
Prices are creeping back back up because inventory is so low ("recovery?"). The median home price is $1.4M... That's like 2018
prices at their peak, but still way too high unless you just cashed out your AI startup stock, hah.
Downtown is still pretty dead, edges are very rough. I really like
Corona Heights, near the Castro.
SF is a great city IMHO and it's making a come-back. I'd still be
living there if it weren't for the schools being pretty bad when we
left for the East Bay (warmer weather and less fog, too).
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
* Origin: SpaceJunk BBS Mail Server [PRIVATE] (21:4/158)
Good advice. I never drank alcohol as a young person and was in my 40s when I tried my first beer. I liked it but never tried it again. I never smoked, anything. I tried CBD gummies for the first time last year for arthritis pain and have been a fan ever since. 1 gummy after dinner before bed gets me off to sleep with no pain in my hands and elbows most of the night. I wish I had known about this stuff many years back.Adept wrote to boraxman <=-
Experimenting would be trying new hobbies, joining groups, societies, finding what you like. Just smoking weed, getting drunk and doing drugs though...
On the other hand, drinking with friends in frats is a time-honored tradition for getting ahead.
(I don't think it has worked _quite_ like that in sororities)
That said, I had a flatmate who was in school, and with whom I drank, and somehow that turned into starting a winery.
(If I'm going to be pedantic, I'd also point out that we literally _never_ got drunk doing this, so it's probably _technically_ closer to "trying new hobbies" than "getting drunk", but I feel as though that ruins the entertainment value, so would be fine if people pretend this paragraph doesn't exist.)
Not that this means I disagree with your statement. I'm just prone to some amount of being contrary because of my brain always trying to find flaws in data and arguments.
Well, its not like I haven't gotten drunk with friends! But I have
seen people overdo it.
I may have been a little forceful with my statement. I'm not a
teetotaler, and I'm not even 100% opposed to experimenting with a psychedelic or two. I don't even think these are things for your
College days only. In fact, I think they should be done when you are
MORE mature, more responsible, and around other people who are able to
keep things in check. That may or may not be when you are a late
teen, but either way, it should be done in moderation. You're
establishing your habits here, so establish good ones. These "student activists" often change their views later on. They "Grow out of it",
which means it was immature to begin with, and therefore, a dead end.
I think for me, its more opposition to this idea that you have this
"one stage" where you can do this or that, and be silly, then you're suppoesd to "straighten up" and become a tool. There should be a
happy medium where you are always open to new experiences and change,
but instead of trying to ball it all up and go crazy for a few years,
you maintain a low level of openeess throughout your entire life.
Hope that makes sense.
___ MultiMail/Linux v0.52
| Sysop: | xxorz |
|---|---|
| Location: | Holly Springs, NC |
| Users: | 6 |
| Nodes: | 11 (0 / 11) |
| Uptime: | 179:19:17 |
| Calls: | 27 |
| Files: | 4,899 |
| Messages: | 639,479 |