Recently (within the last year or so), I've started to notice people online referring to a PC optical drive as a "player" (as in, wondering whether they should add a "DVD player" to their new PC build). I feel like this is my new pet peeve.. A DVD player is a stand-alone device meant to play DVD movies on a TV; a PC optical drive is not a "player".

But I did a search online, and I saw at least one ad online for an external USB blu-ray drive with the word "player" in the description..

Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a "player"? I feel like that's not even really accurate, because when you're watching a movie disc on your PC, it's the software that does the playing of the video. The optical drive is just reading the data, and you could also be using the optical disc to install software, rip movies, etc., which are activities that don't count as "playing" something.

Nightfox
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Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: Nightfox to All on Wed Apr 23 2025 15:06:39

Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a "player"? I feel

If it only plays discs, then it'a "player". If you can write to a disc, then it's a "burner" or "writer". The term, "optical drive" merely refers to the type of supported media.

Now, go decompress. :)
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Recently (within the last year or so), I've started to notice people online referring to a PC optical drive as a "player" (as in, wondering whether they should add a "DVD player" to their new PC build). I feel like this is my new pet peeve.. A DVD player is a stand-alone device meant to play DVD movies on a TV; a PC optical drive is not a "player".

Shrug, same thing variation on application. I get it might be your pet peeve, but so long as someone still knows what you're talking about does it matter?

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Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: Mortar M. to Nightfox on Wed Apr 23 2025 08:19 pm

Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a "player"? I feel

If it only plays discs, then it'a "player". If you can write to a disc, then it's a "burner" or "writer". The term, "optical drive" merely refers to the type of supported media.

For an optical ROM drive for a computer (which doesn't write), I've never heard anyone call it a "player" until recently.

Now, go decompress. :)

Yeah :) I just thought it was odd when I saw people refer to it that way.

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Re: Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: StormTrooper to Nightfox on Thu Apr 24 2025 01:09 am

Shrug, same thing variation on application. I get it might be your pet peeve, but so long as someone still knows what you're talking about does it matter?

I dunno.. Maybe it's just a technicality, but on a computer, I think video playback really only happens in the software - so the software program you're running is the "player", and the optical drive is only reading the data (thus the drive isn't the "player").

Just a linguistic pet peeve, similar to how some people say things like "could care less" or using the incorrect their/they're/there. :)

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 15:06:39 -0700
"Nightfox" (21:1/137) <Nightfox@f137.n1.z21.fidonet> wrote:

Recently (within the last year or so), I've started to notice people
online referring to a PC optical drive as a "player" (as in,
wondering whether they should add a "DVD player" to their new PC
build). I feel like this is my new pet peeve.. A DVD player is a stand-alone device meant to play DVD movies on a TV; a PC optical
drive is not a "player".

But I did a search online, and I saw at least one ad online for an
external USB blu-ray drive with the word "player" in the description..

Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a "player"?
I feel like that's not even really accurate, because when you're
watching a movie disc on your PC, it's the software that does the
playing of the video. The optical drive is just reading the data,
and you could also be using the optical disc to install software, rip
movies, etc., which are activities that don't count as "playing"
something.

If it's DVD-ROM or CD-ROM then yes, it would be a player since you can
only play from it. That said, not sure where the term "drive" comes
from because hard drives don't really go any where. Then again, where
are 3 1/2" disks called floppies because they're not floppy at all. So
many conundrums when it comes to computer hardware.
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In a tangentially related "old man yells at cloud" issue:

KB vs KiB, etc

For a good portion of my life I remember KB=1024 bytes. The past 10 years or so, its now KB bytes and a KiB is 1024 bytes.

I've come to terms with the change but I don't really like it.

At work, the legacy system I work on refers to storage in base 2 so a KB=1024 but interacts with newer services that are base 10 where KB=1000 so there's a headache of conversions.

Anyway, I don't really understand why that all changed. I've heard people mention HDD storage manufacturers using base 10 as marketing and it stuck but that seems like an odd reason to upend everything.

...that's the end of my rant on that. I'm probably wrong so take it with a grain of salt. lol



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Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a "player"? I feel like that's not even really accurate, because when you're watching

It totally bugs me when it's acceptable to call things what they aren't!

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Re: Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: slacker to Nightfox on Thu Apr 24 2025 07:50 am

In a tangentially related "old man yells at cloud" issue:

KB vs KiB, etc

For a good portion of my life I remember KB=1024 bytes. The past 10 years or so, its now KB bytes and a KiB is 1024 bytes.

I've come to terms with the change but I don't really like it.

At work, the legacy system I work on refers to storage in base 2 so a KB=1024 but interacts with newer services that are base 10 where KB=1000 so there's a headache of conversions.

Anyway, I don't really understand why that all changed. I've heard people mention HDD storage manufacturers using base 10 as marketing and it stuck but that seems like an odd reason to upend everything.

That bugs me too. I remember the same, where KB was 1024 bytes, and so on. I've heard that about HDD manufacturers doing that as a marketing term. But I've also heard some people say Microsoft and IBM started it with KB being 1024 bytes & such, and that they were wrong all along. I don't know what's correct now.

One thing I've noticed is that Windows still uses the base 2 sizes for that, but Mac OS uses base 10. So if you look at a file's size on Windows, and the same file on a Mac, Mac OS will make it seem like the file is a bit bigger because it uses base 10 to report its file size (unless you look at the number of bytes, rather than megabytes/gigabytes/etc.).

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only play from it. That said, not sure where the term "drive" comes
from because hard drives don't really go any where. Then again, where
are 3 1/2" disks called floppies because they're not floppy at all. So

I suspect... that hard drive is a throw back to them good old days when your HD was the size of a fridge and you had to install the platters in it. In a real sense you inserted platters into the drive mechanism. Probably hung on after the platters became integrated and the devices much smaller..

ST

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KB vs KiB, etc

For a good portion of my life I remember KB=1024 bytes. The past 10
years or so, its now KB bytes and a KiB is 1024 bytes.

I was under the impression, that your KB is still 1024 bytes, while the KiB is the decimalised version being 1000 bytes...

ST

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Re: Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: StormTrooper to slacker on Thu Apr 24 2025 11:12 pm

For a good portion of my life I remember KB=1024 bytes. The past 10 years
or so, its now KB bytes and a KiB is 1024 bytes.

I was under the impression, that your KB is still 1024 bytes, while the KiB is the decimalised version being 1000 bytes...

I've heard people say it's the other way around.. KB is supposedly supposed to be 1000 bytes and KiB is 1024.

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Re: Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: StormTrooper to Nigel Reed on Thu Apr 24 2025 11:10 pm

only play from it. That said, not sure where the term "drive" comes
from because hard drives don't really go any where. Then again, where are
3 1/2" disks called floppies because they're not floppy at all. So

I suspect... that hard drive is a throw back to them good old days when your HD was the size of a fridge and you had to install the platters in it. In a real sense you inserted platters into the drive mechanism. Probably hung on after the platters became integrated and the devices much smaller..

I always thought it's called a "drive" because it's the device that "drives" the movement of the discs, similar to how a scrwdriver is the tool that "drives" the movement of a screw when you turn it.

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Re: Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: Nightfox to StormTrooper on Wed Apr 23 2025 22:01:43

Just a linguistic pet peeve, similar to how some people say things like "could care less" or using the incorrect their/they're/there. :)

I feel ya. I've been fighting that battle for decades with onliners, without success. Oddly, they care more about getting their program code syntax right then their English.
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Re: Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: Nigel Reed to All on Thu Apr 24 2025 00:16:51

Then again, [why] are 3 1/2" disks called floppies because they're not floppy at all.

Depends on your perspective. True, the outer shell isn't floppy, but the actual media is.
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On 23 Apr 2025 at 03:06p, Nightfox pondered and said...

Recently (within the last year or so), I've started to notice people online referring to a PC optical drive as a "player" (as in, wondering whether they should add a "DVD player" to their new PC build). I feel like this is my new pet peeve.. A DVD player is a stand-alone device meant to play DVD movies on a TV; a PC optical drive is not a "player".

But I did a search online, and I saw at least one ad online for an external USB blu-ray drive with the word "player" in the description..

Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a "player"? I feel like that's not even really accurate, because when you're watching
a movie disc on your PC, it's the software that does the playing of the video. The optical drive is just reading the data, and you could also
be using the optical disc to install software, rip movies, etc., which
are activities that don't count as "playing" something.

I don't think it really matters. Its like when people moved from "USB Drive" to "USB Stick". Also, I knew few people who call them "optical" anything. The key is whether people are misunderstanding what they are.

I think the problem may be if the "player" is also a "burner". If its not, then perhaps its a way to distinguish between a drive which can only real, and one which is read-write.

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On 23 Apr 2025 at 03:06p, Nightfox pondered and said...

Recently (within the last year or so), I've started to notice people online referring to a PC optical drive as a "player" (as in, wondering whether they should add a "DVD player" to their new PC build). I feel like this is my new pet peeve.. A DVD player is a stand-alone device meant to play DVD movies on a TV; a PC optical drive is not a "player".

But I did a search online, and I saw at least one ad online for an external USB blu-ray drive with the word "player" in the description..

Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a "player"? I feel like that's not even really accurate, because when you're watching
a movie disc on your PC, it's the software that does the playing of the video. The optical drive is just reading the data, and you could also
be using the optical disc to install software, rip movies, etc., which
are activities that don't count as "playing" something.

Also, what is up with people calling them "Hard Drives", when they should be "Hard Disks", or better yet, "Winchesters".

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On 24 Apr 2025 at 07:50a, slacker pondered and said...

In a tangentially related "old man yells at cloud" issue:

KB vs KiB, etc

For a good portion of my life I remember KB=1024 bytes. The past 10
years or so, its now KB bytes and a KiB is 1024 bytes.

I WILL NOT use the term "kibibyte" or "mebibyte". Refuse to.

Don't change convention.

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Hey Nightfox!

On Thu, Apr 24 2025 20:02:53 -0500, you wrote:

I've heard people say it's the other way around.. KB is supposedly
supposed to be 1000 bytes and KiB is 1024.

FYI, in a quick duckduckgo search.. my first two results conflict each other.

1st result:
Kibibyte = 1
Kilobyte = 1.024

2nd result:
1 kB = 1000 bytes; 1 KiB = 1024 bytes

In any other sense, a "kilo" has always been 1000. So maybe the more common prefixes have been used because it was "close enough". Apparantly, the binary prefixes have been around since 1998? Until recently, they were hardly ever used in normal conversation (and honestly, probably still aren't used much in /normal/ conversation.

Maybe it's just coming a little bit more to the forefront because people care to be much more politically correct these days? I don't know. I will probably continue to use the non-binary prefixes, as it doesn't matter to me much and is easier to remember. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: boraxman to Nightfox on Fri Apr 25 2025 13:35:04

Also, what is up with people calling them "Hard Drives", when they should be "Hard Disks", or better yet, "Winchesters".

Right, that wouldn't be confusing at all. "Hey, hand me that winchester...Not the gun, idiot, the hard drive!"
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Mortar M. wrote to Nightfox <=-

If it only plays discs, then it'a "player". If you can write to a
disc, then it's a "burner" or "writer". The term, "optical drive"
merely refers to the type of supported media.

If it holds a cup, it's a cupholder. :)


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Recently (within the last year or so), I've started to notice people onlin referring to a PC optical drive as a "player" (as in, wondering whether th on your PC, it's the software that does the playing of the video. The opt drive is just reading the data, and you could also be using the optical di to
install software, rip movies, etc., which are activities that don't count "playing" something.

Back in the 90s, i had a 386 machine, which had a CDROM... that device was only to use with the PC and read data or music. To listen music from an audio CD, you needed to power on the PC and use some software to play the audio...

...but somewhere in the mid or late 90s some CDROM devices appeared that could also play audio CDs by them selves. They had a Play/Pause button and an audio jack, that you could connect to headphones or speakers and listen music. They only needed power to be used. Of course they could also be used as a normal PC device to read data from the PC.

I think you mean those devices :)

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Hello phigan,

24 Apr 25 05:18, you wrote to Nightfox:

Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a
"player"? I feel like that's not even really accurate, because
when you're watching

It totally bugs me when it's acceptable to call things what they
aren't!

like calling something 'milk' when it's not coming from a mammal? :)

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On 24 Apr 2025 at 08:41p, Mortar M. pondered and said...

Re: Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: boraxman to Nightfox on Fri Apr 25 2025 13:35:04

Also, what is up with people calling them "Hard Drives", when they shou "Hard Disks", or better yet, "Winchesters".

Right, that wouldn't be confusing at all. "Hey, hand me that winchester...Not the gun, idiot, the hard drive!"

I recall seeing some advertisements or articles in old magazines, where they were called Winchesters, or something to that effect. Or a Winchester type drive.

Yes, I associate Winchesters with guns. I wonder if there is a Beretta 10M hard drive, and a Smith and Wesson 42M drive.

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Re: Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: boraxman to Nightfox on Fri Apr 25 2025 01:35 pm

Also, what is up with people calling them "Hard Drives", when they should be "Hard Disks", or better yet, "Winchesters".

Doesn't "disk" refer to the actual round platter(s) inside it? I always thought it was called a "drive" because it's a device that drives the motion of the disks, similar to how a screwdriver is used to "drive" the screw into the wood by turning it.

Also I've never heard the term "Winchester" for a storage device..?

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Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: xqtr to Nightfox on Fri Apr 25 2025 02:52 pm

Back in the 90s, i had a 386 machine, which had a CDROM... that device was only to use with the PC and read data or music. To listen music from an audio CD, you needed to power on the PC and use some software to play the audio...

...but somewhere in the mid or late 90s some CDROM devices appeared that could also play audio CDs by them selves. They had a Play/Pause button and an audio jack, that you could connect to headphones or speakers and listen music. They only needed power to be used. Of course they could also be used as a normal PC device to read data from the PC.

I think you mean those devices :)

No, that's not what I'm talking about (but I do remember those). What I'm referring to is online forums (such as on Reddit, etc.) where people talk about building computers, or other forums about ripping movies, etc., and people in these forums sometimes use the term "player" for an optical drive.

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Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: Roon to phigan on Fri Apr 25 2025 02:01 pm

It totally bugs me when it's acceptable to call things what they aren't!

like calling something 'milk' when it's not coming from a mammal? :)

Yeah.. How exactly do you milk an almond? :P

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StormTrooper wrote to Nigel Reed <=-

only play from it. That said, not sure where the term "drive" comes
from because hard drives don't really go any where. Then again, where
are 3 1/2" disks called floppies because they're not floppy at all. So

I suspect... that hard drive is a throw back to them good old days when your HD was the size of a fridge and you had to install the platters in it. In a real sense you inserted platters into the drive mechanism. Probably hung on after the platters became integrated and the devices
much smaller..

Floppies used to be floppy - especially the 8" variety. 5 1/4" were minifloppies, and 3 1/2" were microfloppies. Would that make a USB stick
a nanoflopppy?



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boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-

Also, what is up with people calling them "Hard Drives", when they
should be "Hard Disks", or better yet, "Winchesters".

I prefer "Spinning Rust".



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xqtr wrote to Nightfox <=-

Back in the 90s, i had a 386 machine, which had a CDROM... that device
was only to use with the PC and read data or music. To listen music
from an audio CD, you needed to power on the PC and use some software
to play the audio...

Proprietary CD-ROM drives from the 90's - bad flashbacks! Either playing
audio through tinny tiny underpowered speakers or through your Walkman headphones if you had your computer on the desk. Otherwise, the cord
wasn't long enough and you were out of luck.


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Roon wrote to phigan <=-

like calling something 'milk' when it's not coming from a mammal? :)

I like that the popular protein drink "MUSCLE MILK" has to say in small
print, CONTAINS NO MILK.


We're on an express elevator, going DOWN!




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Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a "player"? I feel like that's not even really accurate, because when you're watching
a movie disc on your PC, it's the software that does the playing of the video. The optical drive is just reading the data, and you could also
be using the optical disc to install software, rip movies, etc., which
are activities that don't count as "playing" something.

Short answer no, funny answer maybe. The original optical drives could be considered both. There were cdroms with software on them, but to play audio did not play directly through your computer. The audio came out and output directly to your soundcard. To play CD's you computer just basically presses play, stop or skip. In fact if I remember correctly I believe some cd-rom drives had those buttons right on them.

But what you a describing I would agree with you, not players.

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only play from it. That said, not sure where the term "drive" comes
from because hard drives don't really go any where. Then again, where

Actually Hard Drives do go some where, eventually to the trash after about 5 years LOL

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Speaking of the media being flexible.

When the Zip Drive began selling I wasn't wanting to buy one of them because a couple years earlier I saw a 40MB SyQuest removable disk hard drive had Metal media inside its plastic case.

The Zip Drive media was flexible as Flopoies are.

SyQuest staered advertising that they were going to make a EZ-135 Drive and I waited until they sold it and got one because the media was metal just like the platter in a HDD is .

SyQuest went out of business shortly later.
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Ed Vance wrote to Mortar M. <=-

Speaking of the media being flexible.

When the Zip Drive began selling I wasn't wanting to buy one of them because a couple years earlier I saw a 40MB SyQuest removable disk hard drive had Metal media inside its plastic case.

The Zip Drive media was flexible as Flopoies are.

SyQuest staered advertising that they were going to make a EZ-135 Drive and I waited until they sold it and got one because the media was metal just like the platter in a HDD is .

SyQuest went out of business shortly later.

I have one of those drives in a Pentium PC that I've good, along with
some 40M and 200M SyQuest disks. Interesting hardware indeed, but I
obtained it *after* I bought a Zip Drive.

The Zip Drive is mostly dead, failed, but the SyQuest drive and Disks
mostly work.

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I WILL NOT use the term "kibibyte" or "mebibyte". Refuse to.

Don't change convention.

I think that's the, "old man yells at clouds" approach, though I do certainly try to say, "crytocurrency", but only because "crypto" should refer to "cryptography", not offshoots.

But I'm unreasonably pedantic, in many things.

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like calling something 'milk' when it's not coming from a mammal? :)

Obligatory XCKD: xkcd.com/3075

"I'm trying to do a shopping trip where I only buy stuff that's no longer made from the material it's named after"

alt-text: "I have to pay with paper money".

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I like that the popular protein drink "MUSCLE MILK" has to say in small print, CONTAINS NO MILK.

Oh, this reminds me of a couple of products that I find entertaining:

Salt Sense - Advertises that it contains something like 1/3rd less salt per teaspoon. Given that the contents are over 99% salt, just like with any other salt, they get this by making the granules bigger, thus increasing the amount of air included in a teaspoon.

So, if you want the exact same effect with table salt inside of a dish, you included 1/3rd less, and it's exactly the same. Or you could just use kosher salt instead, and already be somewhere around there.
-
Spray fat - 0 grams of fat per serving, contents are over 99% fat. But serving size is small enough that the US labeling requirements round down, so a fat-only product can be labeled fat free.

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Quoting Mortar M. to Nigel Reed <=-

Then again, [why] are 3 1/2" disks called floppies because they're not floppy at all.

Depends on your perspective. True, the outer shell isn't floppy, but
the actual media is.

They're hard on the outside and floppy in the innards! 5 1/2" disks are
floppy on the inside and the outside. And one more thing, stationary
mice have bigger balls.

;D


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Quoting Roon to Phigan <=-

Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a
"player"? I feel like that's not even really accurate, because
when you're watching

It totally bugs me when it's acceptable to call things what they
aren't!

like calling something 'milk' when it's not coming from a mammal? :)

Let me explain for Phi - he means it totally irritates (=bugs) him when
it's acceptable to call (or use as a description in a sentence) things
what they aren't.

Is that more crystal?

... It's a chain saw. I always carry one for emergencies.

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Quoting Nightfox to Roon <=-

Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: Roon to phigan on Fri Apr 25 2025 02:01 pm

It totally bugs me when it's acceptable to call things what they aren't!

like calling something 'milk' when it's not coming from a mammal? :)

Yeah.. How exactly do you milk an almond? :P

The same way you milk a maroon!

... Mind... Mind... Let's see, I had one of those around here someplace.

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Floppies used to be floppy - especially the 8" variety. 5 1/4" were minifloppies, and 3 1/2" were microfloppies. Would that make a USB stick
a nanoflopppy?

Hmmm more like a microstiffy, no flex there at all.. not sure it'll catch on though.

ST

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Back in the 90s, i had a 386 machine, which had a CDROM... that device
was only to use with the PC and read data or music. To listen music from an audio CD, you needed to power on the PC and use some software to play the audio...

Waaaaay back then there was a raft of "Audio CD Players" where the actual laser device portion of it was essentially a PC cdrom... with an IDE or one of those horribly screwed over SCSI interfaces on it. With a bridge to the pretty buttons on the outside of the box.... They lasted here maybe 3-4 years here... before we started seeing the full plastic mechanisms with only the outer case as the shell.

ST

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Also, what is up with people calling them "Hard Drives", when they sh
be "Hard Disks", or better yet, "Winchesters".

Winchester didn't seem to hang around long, before it became winchester style implying it was self contained, and it was to much of a mouthful compared to HD which it still has but you can no longer change the media.

Doesn't "disk" refer to the actual round platter(s) inside it? I always thought it was called a "drive" because it's a device that drives the motion of the disks, similar to how a screwdriver is used to "drive" the screw into the wood by turning it.

My feeling on this.. the disc portion still refers to the platters/media as opposed to the mechanism to make it spin, being the drive.

Also I've never heard the term "Winchester" for a storage device..?

I believe it dates from the 70s although I don't know the actual origin, other than it was the "first" self enclosed fixed disc device. It was essentially defunct by the 80s though...

ST

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Yeah.. How exactly do you milk an almond? :P

You just milk it for all its worth :P

ST

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The Zip Drive is mostly dead, failed, but the SyQuest drive and Disks mostly work.

Interesting, back then I had a Syquest hitched to a IIgs. I never had to many carts for it.... I'm also unsure if its an indictment of the carts or the platform but I found them unsuitable for long term storage. The file systems tended to end up corrupt over a period of time, either as a boot device or storage.

ST

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Re: Got Floppy?
By: Ed Vance to Mortar M. on Fri Apr 25 2025 10:08 pm

When the Zip Drive began selling I wasn't wanting to buy one of them because a couple years earlier I saw a 40MB SyQuest removable disk hard drive had Metal media inside its plastic case.

SyQuest staered advertising that they were going to make a EZ-135 Drive and I waited until they sold it and got one because the media was metal just like the platter in a HDD is .

SyQuest went out of business shortly later. Ed

For a short time, I had a SyQuest Sparq drive, which used 1GB removable hard drive cartridges. I thought it was really cool, but I didn't know anyone else who had a Sparq drive (maybe just one of my friends). I later got a zip drive though, because my college had some computers that had zip drives.

I thought the late 90s was an interesting time with all those different removable media formats being released - especilly with 2 different ones from the same company (Syquest's Sparq and the 440MB one you mentioned).

Nightfox
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